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on "the war room." we hope you have a wonderful weekend. we'll see you all on monday. [ ♪ music ♪ ] [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: here's what is happening. "the young turks." we've got a great show for you tonight. you know what is happening? the vacation wars. >> i hope that more americans are able to take vacations. >> and maybe you took a vacation every once in a while. and it wasn't necessarily some fancy ray aggravation at some fancy resort. >> cenk: oh, the president is slicing and dicing him. is he in trouble? down goes romney. he'll probably get hurt, but he's hurt, "dawg," we'll talk more about that later in the program, and president. >> obama: as i stand before you tonight, the democratic democratic
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nomination for united states president. and do you remember when the republicans loved this kid. >> many people come up to me and say you're a republican, and you talk about politics. i tell them, no, conservatism is not about-- >> cenk: boy, you know what, i would have to tell you why the republicans hate him now. he'll tell you himself. he's going to be on the show. that is going to be awesome. anybody know what time it is? oh right, it's go time. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: all right w g suhdersuer jobs. we got s smemevations. we got summer all over the place.
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mitt romney is at his fancy home in new hampshire please. >> romney: i'm delighted to take a vacation with my family. i think all americans appreciate the memories they have with their children and grandchildren. i hope more americans are able to take vacations. and if i'm president of united states i'm going to work very hard to make sure that we've got good jobs for all americans who want good jobs, and as part of a good job capacity to take a vacation now and then with their loved ones. >> cenk: right, and if you have that kind of a good job make you can get a 6700-foot estate with six bedrooms. look at that, a nice jet ski. that is not the photo op i would have done if i was running for president. that does not include the land
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they own and it does not include the jet ski. that is not good politics. president obama is on his a-game a-game. here's what he said about vacations. >> obama: maybe you took a vacation every once in a while. it wasn't a fancy vacation at a fancy resort. the best vacation i had when i was a kid was with my grandmother and my mom and my sister we traveled around the country on greyhound buses and on trains, and we stayed at howard johnsons, and you know, i was 11, and so if there was any kind of swimming pool, it didn't matter how big it was right? you'd spend the whole day there and you're really excited to go to where the vending machine was and the ice machine and get the ice. that was like a big deal. >> cenk: now, i have to confess i was not excited about the ice machine. i don't know where he got that
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from but i remember the days i wanted to go to howard johnsons. they had ice cream. i wanted the ice cream. those were good memories and good time to mention that. well played, nicely done. president obama seems to be outplaying mitt romney so thoroughly now that conservatives and republicans behind the scenes appears to be in a bit of a panic. wall s journal in a tough he had tore yam against mitt romney about how he's running his campaign. and his boss, murdoch has been tweeting away about how he doesn't like romney. tough o chicago pros will be hard to beat unless he drops old friends from the team. chances of that, doubtful. this is not the first tweet or the last tweet murdoch said about romney. he has been hammering him over and over saying i'm not sure this guy has what it takes to win. i saw romy, i thought i saw him in the middle of a ring--let me see. what the hell is going on here
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request, no, no murdoch the elbow from the sky. murdoch who is supposed to be on your side running fox news channel and wall street journal editorial page and the whole paper and the new york post. when he drops his elbow on your head you're hurting dawg. this is when mitt romney should be doing better because the job numbers came out today. they're not sterling. look we're still gaining jobs. we gained 80,000 jobs in june. that's a good thing overall but it barely keeps up with the rate of growth. that's why the unemployment rate stays exactly where it is, 8.2%. now, when you go to talk about jobs well, here's what is interesting. i want to break down this news for you. because mitt romney did a tiny little speech how he would do better on jobs. i'll show it piece by piece and
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tell you why it's nonsense. here is statement number one why he would be better on job issues. >> it includes taking advantage of our normal resources building the energy keystone pipeline and convince manufacturers that energy will be available and low cost to america. >> cenk: now that's another way of saying oil companiesers please give me more money. first of all does it create jobs to do more and more drilling and do the keystone pipeline? let me give you the facts. it would create 6,000 temporary jobs. that's not bad but it's not going to change our national economic outlook. it only creates 20 permanent jobs, which i think president obama is going to approve that anyway which i don't want him to. and oil drilling under obama, do you know that in 2009 we had less than 200 rigs. we have seen an explosion of drilling under president obama. and yet i'm not in favor of it. the fact are the facts. 1200 rigs now. that's unbelievable how much
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they're drilling under president obama. for him to say no, no, no, if we drilled more we would have more jobs that is an absurd claim. he's not really trying to appeal to the american public. he's trying to appeal to his donors oil company give me more money. he'll do that again when it comes to trade agreements. >> opening up new markets in latin america. the president has not done that in three and a half years no new trade agreements. >> cenk: now, president obama has not done any trade agreements, have you missed the news entirely? let me show a headline from bloomberg. obama signs trade deals with south korea panama, and columbia. colombia. i'm not in favor of the panama trade deal why? because panama is a giant tax haven. that's probably why mitt romney loves it. who does it help? not you.
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do you have a tax shelter in panama welcome unless you're a giant multimillion international corporation, i doubt it. he's not done yet. he'll talk about his tax plan. gee, i wonder who this helps. >> i'll bring down the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%. and individual tax rate, 20% across the board. >> cenk: once again that would help the giant corporations and the really really rich. it would add $600 billion to the deficit. that is almost all going to the rich. i thought you were going to balance the budget, no you're increasing the budget. the corporate taxes in 2011 were at a 40-year low. they're at tax rate of 12.1%. how low can you make them? mitt romney will give it a shot. do you think that would help you?
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it's not going to help you. if that would help, it would have helped under bush. mitt romney's campaign is not designed to help you. it's designed to help the people who are funding mitt romney's campaign. right now let's bring in a reporting, bob cusack, manager editor of the hill. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> great to have you. my opinions are clear, as you can tell. >> yes. >> now okay, talk to me about how romney is running the campaign. it looks like there is disgruntlement from the conservatives. >> the republicans have been decided. ever since a couple of weeks ago when obama said that the private sector is doing fine. ever since then obama has been on a good run. help with healthcare and immigration. the jobs report disappointing. the president said it was a step in the right direction but there
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is more work to be done. romney has been taking fire over the jetski, for not having more specifics on his tax and economic plan. that's from within g.o.p. circles. in the party that is more united usually wins elections this will be a tough election but the republicans have had a rough run over the last week, week and a half. >> cenk: as you look at the last week and a half, on the mandate issue romney is stuck because he has the same mandate as president obama. if he calls it a tax then he gave taxes. and then he goes on vacation at a boat house. who has a boat house. to me it looks terrible. when you look at all that, maybe newt gringrich and rick santorum had a decent point about how this may not be the right candidate specifically against president obama. >> i think both president obama and mitt romney have an issue where they have got to make the
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case the bill clinton case that i can feel your pain. whether it's on the jetski, or president obama's playing golf. i like playing golf but he plays golf a lot of. when you're in politics and your 120 days are out republicans are saying what are you doing. that's going to be--if you can make the case that you can feel their pain, you're going to fix the problems going forward then whoever makes that case is going to win this, and romney has that difficulty of relating--he's a bit awkward in public. his consultants have been working on that. that's why i think the debates are going to play such a key role in showing who is the person that understands the middle class voters 12,347 when it. >> cenk: when it comes to how the political class is looking at this, does it seem that obama is running the better campaign than romney? >> i think they have been more nimble. they both have had gaffes.
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obama with the doing fine. romney had a slew of gaffes in the republican presidential primary. but when the chips were down right before the florida presidential debate it was newt gringrich or romney, and romney came up big in that debate. over all the last couple of weeks i think you have to definitely have to give the campaign edge to obama just because eric ferhstrom had that mandate penalty tax, and they were all over the place on that. and republicans stepped all over on the congressional republicans who came out of that supreme court ruling saying it's clearly a tax and that divided them. but i think this race is so close that whoever runs the better campaign is going to win this and you don't say that every presidential election year year. >> cenk: bob cusack from the hill. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> cenk: all right, now when we come back, really surprising news about president obama and the naacp convention. why is he pulling out of it? who is going to repolice him?
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>> cenk: now the last time that president obama spoke to the naacp was in 2009 as president of the united states of america. that was a great moment. there was another very good moment back in 2008 when he was the democratic candidate and he made this speech to them at that time. >> when i stand before you tonight as democratic nominee for president of the united states of america. [ cheering ] >> obama: if i have the privilege of serving as your next president, 100 years after the founding of the naacp i will stand up for you the same way that earlier generations of americans stood up for me. >> cenk: well, some are now questioning that just a bit because the president was on the schedule to speak at the naacp convention next week in houston but he no longer is. now, vice president joe biden is going. mitt romney will be speaking as is tradition that any
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presidential candidate speaks at the naacp convention before the election. but now we've got biden and romney. this is a curious picture given that we have an african-american president who was asked to speak at that event. especially in these hards times when we have african-american unemployment at a really bad spot. 14.4%. it rose in the last month from 13.6% while white unemployment and latino unemployment stayed where they are. they're not great either, but it would have been a good time to go and say hey here's how we can improve those numbers. that's not the direction for whatever reason that president obama chose to go. vice president biden will go. michael shure has more on this story. michael, what is going on here? >> it's an interesting thing. initially we had the naacp who said president was slated to be at the naacp convention. he then pulled out of the
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convention even knowing that mitt romney was slated to speak there. it turned out last night that joe biden willing going. the vice president will be going to the naacp convention. no reasons given. we reached out to the white house and they did not return our entreaties for comment. it's very curious, and many are tossing around a lot of ideas. valerie jarrett. >> close confidant for a long time before he became president in the chicago years. for people who don't know valerie jarrett, also african-american. >> she is. >> why would she not want the president to go to the naacp convention? >> we're talking about people who are thinking about what the reasons could possibly be. this is conjecture. a lot of people feel that valerie jarrett has tried to keep the president away from events that are considered black events. you mentioned that he's going to address the urban league, it's
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an organization that focuses on jobs. 9 record for african-american jobs is not so great. but the whole idea that they would be keeping him away from the convention is very very curious. that's why people are saying, this is the convention that gave him the medal their highest medal that they award. >> cenk: it makes sense. the naacp, our first african-american president. the urban league as well, that part of it makes sense. is it political calculation here? we've got the black vote. keep it real. we've got 'em, we can only do damage for some white independent voters if we go. it's a big prominent thing like the naacp convention, and it's all over television. >> if you believe everything that you see about the polls and the numbers and getting the base out in this election is so important. i can't understand why in the world the president is not going to address the naacp convention. the naacp, of course, says this isinthis is an important election
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year and communities of color will play a huge role in deciding the outcome in any number of the race across the country. as such we're pleased that both major political parties will be represented at this convention. >> cenk: it's a six-day convention. any candidate if you're willing to go, it's a great thing. you know, my essential of it is the same as yours. it's badly played. it's needlessly cautious when, in fact, probably the most important thing in this election is voter turnout. if you want people to get excited, you show up and say this is why you should vote. >> this speaks to a fear that this president has the overthinking, overcalculating, sitting on the fence. not going to something like this because you're afraid you're going to be portrayed as being
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too black. it doesn't matter. you have to get the base out in this election. not only that, presidential candidates since kennedy have gone and addressed the naacp convention up until george bush, and george bush said finally that he had a strained relationship or non-existent relationship with the naacp. here is bush speaking in 2006 and obama's response to former president bush speaking. >> for too long my party wrote off the african-american vote, and many african-americans wrote off the republican party. >> obama: what appears is not a replacement for consistent policies that deal with issues like education and healthcare that is so important to the african-american communities. >> cenk: president obama is younger there but the same cautious guy. but you know what, other than the politics, there is also what is right or wrong here. they did have your back. not just during the election
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in 2008. you know they're going to have it in 2012 but also on the gay marriage issue. >> the board of the naacp met in florida, and they voted overwhelmingly 65-3, maybe abstentions, to support the president, to support--the naacp comes out and supports the idea of gay marriage. i think it's a big miscalculation on the president's part, and i think it's a big piece of news that he's not going to address the large congregation of black americans this year. it's a questionable piece of campaign strategy. again, also the naacp convention, john mccain was there. michelle obama was there and i think that when you see that, you wonder why in the world they're doing this with the president. >> cenk: it's over thinking it and also under thinking. overthinking the politics, and if people have your back, you got to have their back. >> i think the story that he was
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going to and now joe biden is going. if there was a fundraiser in how old, the president would be there. >> cenk: it sounds harsh but it's inescapably true. they need the money. they're not going to snub the fundraisers, romney or obama. that's the reality of our current politics, and that's part of what is sick in our system, and what is wrong in our system. >> he need the base, too. >> cenk: you need actual people to vote. >> that's the thing. >> cenk: michael shure, thank you for the reporting. michael will also be going to the naacp convention. he will be covering it for us next week. so checks that out and we'll get reporting there as well. now amazing story when we come back. a story of a man who you see right there and his lawyer. that man spent two years in jail because of a traffic ticket. why because? because the private corporation was going to make money off of it. an outrageous story. we'll talk to them about that
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: we're back on "the young turks." we have often told you about private corporations taking over our lives. we have anticarly egregious--we have a particularly egregious story to tell you. part of what they do is they rack up fees and fines regular american citizens, then escort them to jail for not paying a nice racket for them. horrible for us. do you know you can be sent to prison for minor traffic violations speeding, public drunkenness and loitering. if you don't pay you're fine, the fines add up. that's the whole point of these
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probation companies that are private corporations. they tell the government, we'll collect it for you and we'll give it to you, and then we'll add our fines on top. if they don't pay them, then i need you to lock them up. an example. gina ray. three years ago she was speeding. she shouldn't have been doing that. she had a fine of $179. 28 years old at the time. well judicial correction services piles on and that fine is $3,170. that is unbelievable for the original ticket that was under $200. they put her in jail for 40 days for not paying. what in the world is going on? who has got $3,000 to pay these guys? if you think that's bad it goes on and on. how about a veteran he had a
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$270 fine for public drunkens, drunkenness. judicial correction, it's now $700. richard early garrett had a 2001 speeding violation that is now up to $10,000. he has spent two years in jail for what originally started out as a temple traffic violation. what are we doing here? we're letting private corporations send our own sillses to jail after they pile on these exhorbetant fees? this is what they say, we hear a lot of "can't pay the fee. it's not our job to figure it
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out. yeah, they jack the fees on it. now richard early garrett is with us on the program and his attorney is also with us. richard, let me start with you. >> yes. >> cenk: so what happened originally, and how much was the fine originally, if you remember remember. >> originally the fines supposed to have been--up to $10,000. they charged me $31 per day. >> cenk: why were they charging you $31 per day? what was the summation for explanation for that? >> because the county was housing for the city. the county was doing the housing. they were charging us as an individual $31 per day for being incarcerated. >> cenk: that's amazing. let me get this right. not only did they put you in
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prison if you don't pay the new fines. you have to pay those first before you get to the government fines, but they also charge you for putting new prison? >> that's exactly right. they first charge you for being on probation. the interesting part about it is if you can pay you're fine immediately upon getting fined that would be the end of it, but if you can't now you're on probation, that's how you wind up with the private probation company. the private probation company has its monitoring fee. they charge $35 $45 a month in many cases. for the person who originally could not pay the original fine now has to pay a monitoring fee to the private probation company in order to support their collection efforts. basically that's what they do. they are collection companies. so now-- >> cenk: i'm sorry finish up. then i want to ask you-- >> i just want to say after all those things start to add up the
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person falls behind and is unable to make their payments, that's when they wind up getting arrested, going to jail, and then being charged for the privilege of staying in the jail. >> cenk: lisa, i want to ask you, we are not supposed to have debtors' prisons in this country. we got rid of that a long, long time ago. what is the justification for a private corporation imprisoning people for their own profit? >> that's a good question. there is no justification. as you say debtor's prison was abolished a couple of hundreds years ago in this country or so we thought. as long ago as in the early 1980s the united states supreme court actually looked at a case just like this in georgia and said no. you can't take someone who is unable to pay a fine and put them in jail for their inability to jail, basically being jailed for being poor. many of these municipalities
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have found work-arounds and they're trying to use different strategies to get around the language of that case. no matter how you cut it it's unconstitutional simply to put people in jail for unable to pay. >> cenk: unless you brought up the right politicians with campaign donations etc. richard, talk to me about your $10,000 fine. you still have it. how long would it take to you pay that off? >> well, it would be--my probation would end at 2015, somewhere near that area. that's my probation period. >> cenk: do they let you go at any point? do they say in 2015, okay, we've imprisoned you long enough, etc. etc. and you're free to go, or is that fine on you forever? >> well, no, they--it never has
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any restitution for being incarcerated. so my extended probation time went to 2015. >> cenk: okay. so lisa, how are you going to fight back against this? i feel like people have kind of accepted it, oh, if we're poor, we belong in prison and they can fine us whatever they like and these corporate machines can run our lives. they're amoral. i'm not saying they're evil but they don't give a damn. they want their profit. how do you fight back? >> well, actually opportunities like this for people to understand what is going on are really important. i think there are millions and millions of people who are clueless about the fact that this is even happening. i know that four or five years ago before i started meeting people who had this problem i had no idea that it was going on even as a lawyer who practices in the system. but beyond that, you know, if
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you can't bring the courts and mainly these are municipal courts to an understanding of what people's constitutional rights are and have those constitutional rights enforced by the courts, as it should be, then litigation is what you have left. that's where you see the lawsuits like mr. garretts, lawsuits that have gone on in this state, and all around the south. the southern human rights has been addressing the same thing in georgia and mississippi. it goes all along the southeast. >> cenk: thank you for joining us and telling us your powerful story. now look, i want to say one more thing before i go to break. don't let them crush you man. we're not powerfulless. we're supposed to be living in a democracy. we're supposed to be in control of our government. don't let these private corporations run us into jail, put these ridiculous fees because we didn't pay them,
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things that they had no business getting from us in the first place. we have to take our government back. now when we come back there is a lot of stereotypes about undocumented immigrants. michael shure found a school with kids who were here legally but their parents were undocumented. that's a powerful story as well. >> do you think other americans look at you as a full american. >> personally i think i'm american first before i am latino. break the ice with breath-freshening cooling crystals. ice breakers.
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today. they realized if we stop deporting young kids who came here no one an undocumented fashion through no fault of their own it might be good policy, and it might be good politics. latinos support his new policy on that by 8 out of 10 margin, so 80% favor. that's working well, obviously. it's not just the politics but the policy of it. the more you know people that are in that situation the more likely you are to support that policy. that's why it polled so well among latinos. we decided to send our own michael shure to a high school here where the kids are here illegally and their parents are undocumented. >> central city valley high school the population of students are 98% latino. they are low income.
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our students at this school in regards to documentation we have no idea if they were born here. it's not a question we ask. we're not immigration. it's not a question that is required to be answered. we do find out once they hit their senior year when they apply or they have to apply for financial aid for college. >> this is independence week, the week during which july fourth falls. all of you are first generation americans. all born here to parents who were not born here, is that right? >> yes. >> do you think other americans look at you as a full american. >> i think of myself as american first than latino. i don't understand why people say we shouldn't have the same rights as they do if we're americans, you know. i'm sure if you trace their history at some point someone from a different country came to this country. that's why they were brought into this world. if we don't have the right then
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they shouldn't have the right. >> sometimes i feel like an immigrant because of all of this discrimination and harassment because i'm latino. americans come to united states for change. there's nothing bizarre about latino having a movement to this nation this united nation. >> they don't think that you could actually grow up to be become an engineer, lawyer or doctor. >> every says that america is such a great country and they want to come here and become part of something more, not only for themselves but everyone around them. >> i don't how frankly you want to talk about your parents' stories or not. but the presumption is that some of them came here illegally. eight of the brightest people that i've sat in the room with. the fact that there could be anybody in america who thinks you should not have the full rights of americans who were born here just because your parents were fought born here
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and they came here illegally. does the idea of that at all play into how you embark on your lives after school? changing people's minds? >> people don't see the struggles our parents have gone through. if they went through so much just to give us a better life here why is somebody else going to make that better life worse. >> they're here to bust their butt, trying to get somewhere show the people that we can do it. >> i have friends who are undocumented, and they're really smart. it's hard to believe that they're not able to get the college education. it's painful to me to realize that it will be difficult for them to get into an university because their parents don't make that much money and he may not get federal money because he's not an united states citizen. >> my dad always tells me, look at those people out there who don't have papers, who aren't citizens, look how hard they're
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struggling to try to become better and get education. you who have papers, why are you not striving for better. you're going to be the low. you're being part of the bunch. sometimes those words hurt but they motivate me to get a better education and work harder. >> hoping that i can get a regular university just to fulfill my dreams, fulfill my father's dreams, to see his kid going to university. >> those dreams are the american dream. >> yes, working hard, striving for success. >> there is a segment of america that doesn't like the way america is starting to look. does that motivate you? >> i think it's very true dog people are afraid to come out of the comfort zone. start changing and people start questioning. >> what does it mean to your parents to have american children? >> you know, one word, hope. given more opportunities to your kid. that's what every parent would want. that's what americans--they just want us to follow the american
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dream. >> we are the next generation. and the way things are changing, and they can change for the best. i want things to change for the best, and it makes me proud because i'm going to be the first one in my family going to college. >> they say take advantage of all that you have in life. even the impact on the world not just for yourself, but for everyone else to better the world. i try to make them proud every day. >> cenk: all right, michael, i love that piece. i think a lot of people think of undocumented immigrants and i know it's their parents but as "the other." then you see those kids. they're like any other kid obviously. it's not something that you always see. >> they're not like every other kid. they're exceeding the other kids kids. i was impressed as i walked away. as corny as it is, i was proud to be american, more so than the fireworks and the parade. >> cenk: don't tell me more than
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the hot dogs. >> i left the hot dogs out. no, it's a very impressive group of people. it's school is sending 44% of its students this year. i was talking to their principal, 44% of their students this year to a four-year college, up from 33% the year before. they moved their school from salvation armies to warehouses and now they have a fault facility. >> cenk: the kids were in a salvation and a warehouse for their school. now we got to leave it right there. michael, thank you for doing this story. >> cenk: it was my pleasure. it really was. >> cenk: now when we come back there was a wonder kid who spoke at cpac, the conservative convention and god, the republicans loved him. now we have an interesting turn of events in that story. >> i would like to talk a little bit about the principles of conservatism and i only got two minutes, so i better make it quick. >> cenk: well, there he is.
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jonathan krohn on the program in just a little bit. wait until hear what he of sununu, you're wrong. mitt romney, you're wrong. we need more teachers, not fewer teachers and more cops and more firefighters that support our
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>> cenk: so all show we've been showing you clips of jonathan krohn speaking at the cpac convention that's the conservative convention. they loved him at that time. here is a young kid who is a conservative republican. now he says that he might vote for president obama if he could vote. he's 17. he can't do it yet. he's basically flipped. what is the conservative reaction now? >> really it's been around, pre- pre-precocious child children should be seen and not heard and in rare cases abandoned in a forest. >> cenk: so if you're a conservative kid we love you. if you turn, get out of here. you shouldn't be heard at all. too bad. you're going to be heard right here. jonathan krohn joins us from
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atlantic georgia. jonathan, glad to have you on the show. >> glad to be here. >> cenk: how are you doing? >> i'm doing good. how about you. >> cenk: great, great. we covered that story back in the day. did you ever see that clip. >> i did. i've seen it a few times. >> cenk: now i want to show the audience. at the time we were tough on jonathan but i did say this, and roll e-6 for me. >> the thing is all of this republican talking points are so simplistic, and he thinks he is he a so smart. he's a 14-year-old kid. he could grow up to be a perfectly sensible guy. god knows remember i was a republican when i was a kid. >> cenk: all right, and there he is. perfectly sensible guy. talk to me about what you believe before and what you believe now, and why the transition? >> well, you know, beforehand when you talked about me back in the day when i did the cpac speech, what happened was i
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really was regurgitateing the talking points that we heard in atlanta. in lappet we have a huge market for conservative talk radio. it's everywhere. the biggest station in atlanta is wsb, a conservative talk channel. conservative talk is everywhere. i heard that my whole life. i got these talking points from hearing a lot of talk radio. i started regurgitating them. i didn't understand what i was saying. what i realized was that i didn't know enough to be saying these things. i just knew enough to regurgitate it. i didn't know enough to actually have a conversation about it. i knew to say the points i heard. what happened was after time went on i decided that i really just wanted to take the time to let my brain take a breather. so i started reading philosophy and just doing other things, and
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after a while i realized, you know what i said back then was not really what i believed. that was what somebody else believes. why don't i take the time to find what it is that i believe. i became more open-minded and here i am. >> cenk: that's interesting. i don't know if you know the story, but i used to be republican too. part of the reason that i was saying at the time, hey give the kid a break you never know he might grow out of it. jonathan, as i've grown older i'm amazed that anybody becomes more judgmental as people grow older. have you had a similar experience, as you get older you can relate and empathize with people more and that leads you to a more liberal position? >> i think so. i think the older i got--it's not just that you become more empathetic, but it really is that you begin to--you learn more, the more you learn the more knowledge you take in the more you realize that you don't
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know. it's weird. the more you know, the more you realize you don't know stuff. your mind opens up to the stuff you don't know. with that comes the empathy. the fact that you don't know the facts of the situation comes the fact that you can relate to other people and understand other people's plight and makes you a better person. >> cenk: republicans have been vicious. what is your reaction to that? >> you know, people will be people. people are always mean. people are always rude. they can say what they want. it's fine. it's a free country. thanks for whatever. i don't really care. it rolls off my back. >> cenk: thank you jonathan. we appreciate it. great talking to you. >> yeah. >> cenk: when we come back, john fugelsang hit the streets to find out what the average man thinks of mitt romney. wait until you hear some of the conservatives in that piece.
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